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host and welcome to the show we did an

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earlier show this evening about The

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Whistleblower you can check that on our

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YouTube channel tonight I'm really

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excited to have Tony Harris on he's a uh

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an Emmy award-winning journalist he's

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got a great background and he's on a

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wonderful uh show that I absolutely love

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called the proof is out there I'm going

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to play a clip in just a minute on that

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and I also want to tell you that our

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blog this week is by Charles Lear as

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usual and it's about UFO sightings and

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contact as reported by Dave Davies of

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those of you who like rock and roll that

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is uh Dave Davies of The Kinks and it's

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a very interesting article talks about

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the other you know people in rock who

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have had sightings so check that out and

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um I am going to play this clip

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right now

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and we'll bring our guest in there's

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three really fast flying jets up there

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it doesn't look like anything I've ever

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if this video is real it could earn

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everything we know on its head the proof

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is out there new episode Friday June 9th

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at 10 only on the History Channel

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hey Tony welcome to the show it's good

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to be with you brother thank you thank

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you yes I I love this show

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um for the fact that you have a verdict

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on after you look at every case and I

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think that is so Grace great and you're

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not afraid to say uh call something what

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it is when it is something something can

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look so convincing when it comes to some

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of these clips that you look at and I

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just love the premise of it and how it's

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uh and how it's operated and a good

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friend Mark d'antonio is is a part of

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that show and uh I love it

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it has been it's been an incredible ride

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Martin I I will tell you and and what

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you pointed to is you know certainly one

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of the conceits of the show that that we

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are willing to render a verdict on these

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videos that that we get and what we

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found on the internet and you know we

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are a bit of a crowd-sourced show but

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yeah I think our approach in the format

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has really worked well for us you never

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know when you start one of these things

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how it will work out and whether or not

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the audience will be receptive to your

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approach and and what you're doing but

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the idea to to take a clip

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um set up the clip and that's part of it

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right we're doing an extensive setup of

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the clip we're then saying you know this

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is how this clip relates historically to

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other similar events right similar

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sightings and then once we've done that

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work up front we turn the clipping

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question over to an amazing experts and

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they do the Deep analysis on it and

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after they've done that you know we do

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what no other show seems willing to do

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at this point as long as they don't want

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to do it that's great we like being in

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that territory by ourselves

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we we stick our necks out of it and we

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render a verdict on it and and even a

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thing with our verdicts is if we get to

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a place where we can't identify

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conclusively we don't have a quorum to

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come to a conclusion a verdict we will

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we will say that we'll own up to it and

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at the moment we say that we're not

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you're almost guaranteed that we'll

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continue to do work on it and continue

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to try to Source it as best as we can

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and figure out the riddle so uh that's

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that's the show from the first block of

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and then of course there's the

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admonition because it's the admonition

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that keeps the show going we just

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encourage people to keep those cameras

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rolling and if they find something that

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you know they really can't explain and

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to send it on into us and if it passes

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muster then you know there's a really

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good chance it'll be on the show

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and this uh the History Channels your

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third season it's airing June 9th

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um on the History Channel and that is

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I'm sorry what is the time that that

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actually airs yeah at 10 o'clock 10

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we're in really good company with with

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both of those shows and the team over at

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age and Aliens has really kind of

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adopted us and taken us under their wing

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and they promote us all the time which

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we're really appreciative of and it was

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great to meet George and the rest of the

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team out at um aliencon over the summer

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and so no I guess that was the spring

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lot of fun for all of us to be together

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and to thank them for what they've done

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and providing obviously a great lead-in

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for our show but also the support in

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promoting our program so it's been it's

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been wonderful for us through and

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through top to bottom now when someone

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um I actually have a video that someone

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um that is really really compelling and

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videos all the time but this one is

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really something I believe and I would

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like I will uh I know that you give out

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your email address right right on the

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show on where to send these you probably

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get a million zillion emails and have to

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filter them all you know you ready for a

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real moment you ready for real yeah yeah

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so I can never remember the I can never

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remember the the the email address to

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send it but you know our crack up PR

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team is is with us and and on the line

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so Olivia if you wouldn't mind sort of

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putting it in the chat

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yeah there's a chat on the side of

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stream yard uh yeah and I will put that

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um can check that out but honestly we

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need that we need for people to to send

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us their videos and they've been really

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embarrassment of riches right now but

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we're always looking for you know really

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what'd you say is is there a

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any type of percentage that you can

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quote as unexplained like you you don't

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they get upset with us that yeah they

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think we're at the bunking show right

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and that's why I like you yeah that's

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why I like the show yeah because there's

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so many there's so much good out there

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you know anyway some really amazing

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things right you know let's let's deal

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on the things that are you know we can

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we're saying this is real uh we built up

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some some credibility right we've got

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some credibility in the bank yeah and

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and again if we don't know we we say we

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audio analysts who are working for

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police departments all over the world

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um and so I don't think it's that's not

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a big number of of actual pieces that we

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right and get it on the show so that

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they can then sort of aha they're not

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do you have people a lot of people that

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verdict and you know uh do they use that

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I'm sure they do uh but we won't have to

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Olivia it is uh info at the proof is out

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people who just disagree I you know I

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meant tweet Tony Harris uh on Twitter

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side but you know so people will watch

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the show and engage us immediately when

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a segment was on before a segment before

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we even get to a verdict people are

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engaging me up with their thoughts and

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and sort of trying to guess whether or

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not I'll I'll say it's real or fake or

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whatever else right so that's the gift

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people making money yeah are people

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betting and making money

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like gambling DraftKings money can I get

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some of that if that's what's happening

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come on yeah that's right you get a

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percentage right no so that's the kind

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of that's the level of Engagement we've

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um and you know I get all kinds of text

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messages and and emails and tweets and

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you know the one I'm getting a lot

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lately is uh hey you're back uh Sunday

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at 10 we'll be there hey a question

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has not marked the Antonio who is it who

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is oh has Michael Primo shaved off his

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80s porn mustache

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oh my God I think I might have made that

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comment uh I'll have to ask my

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girlfriend I'm pretty sure I did

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Michael Primo shaved off his 80s poor

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mustache for the new episodes

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I'm getting all the important things

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that is hilarious hilarious

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um have you have you ever had like a

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information that changed it I think

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we're doing that with one of the I think

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I made a note of it I think we're doing

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that with one of the uh one of the

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episodes that begins uh that we're

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dropping starting this week I think

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we've got an update on the Pittsburgh

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boom right the Pittsburgh boom from last

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year so yeah yeah there are definitely

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occasions where we will get some new

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information we'll revisit a story I

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don't know that we've been uh that we've

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and I can't remember whether or not

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we've actually changed a verdict but

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we've we've absolutely said on occasion

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hey we got some additional information

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and maybe we modified or maybe we just

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had additional information I mean we've

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got a story coming up in the season

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where we've got essentially what looks

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like the yellow brick road yellow oh yes

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right yeah and so and so it you know

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it's certainly not the Elton John song

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but it's you know it is it is the yellow

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brick road and you know a lot of people

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will end up thinking and uh that it's

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the latest bit of information on the you

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know the lawsuit of Atlantis right so uh

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whenever we get an opportunity to get a

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piece of video that allows us to tell

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you know some of these stories that

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people have just come to love in the

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space we take the opportunity to do it

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and our way of doing it obviously is

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just to add a bit more color context and

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new information so you know I think

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we've got

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um a pretty compelling clip at least the

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most compelling in a long time of what

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might be under those those Waters and

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Loch Ness right so we will we will run

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that and that gives us another kind of

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another opportunity to revisit the Loch

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Ness story historically and you know it

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is the History Channel so it makes all

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the sense in the world to approach it

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that way and uh people never seem to get

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enough of those kinds of stories the UAP

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Stories the Bigfoot the Sasquatch

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stories so whenever we get some

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additional information it doesn't really

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matter how big or small it could be a

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tiny morsel of information that moves

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the story forward a little bit people

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have sort of demonstrated over the years

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particularly in this community that they

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love hearing about it so we'll revisit

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it

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right now your personal interest in all

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of these topics do you have a personal

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interest or did you have a personal

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interest in UFOs was it intriguing to

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you and and all this or is this just

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something you've kind of fallen into

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look look I I came to this whole space

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in sci-fi and you know we're not alone

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as honestly as a bunch of other people

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on the planet came to this space

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watching William Shatner and Star Trek

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yeah yeah

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no lie that's it for me that's how I

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came to it I I love that show you know

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so the idea for me to be

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you know essentially sharing uh a

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channel home and and close to the same

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time slot and on the same night is just

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a kick and to have him respond when I

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tweet something out about him or to have

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him tweet something out about me is just

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nuts mind absolutely poof gone blown so

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that's how I sort of came to this space

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and and I just

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um came to believe that yeah it makes

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sense why would we think that we're

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alone in the universe and oh by the way

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how many universes are there and oh yeah

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wait how many galaxies are there and oh

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by the way how many black holes are

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there out there so uh it makes sense to

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do the exploration that's how you know

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that was my entree to this space now and

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and I never I never sort of denigrated

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people and and the way so many people

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did you know who would talk about these

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things and characterize them as as kooky

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or you know tin foil hat people and that

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we would shunt off to the garage and

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feed them their food under the door I I

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was never one of those people it was

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more I don't know the answer to this how

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do I find an answer to this so I mean I

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I guess

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from I don't know what age certainly as

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a teenager I was interested in the space

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but I I never in a million years thought

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that I would be hosting a show that is

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taking a deep dive look into all of

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these issues on a weekly basis that

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again that's another one of those things

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where my mind is blown that I'm doing

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this

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so yeah I've always felt that there's no

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way we could be alone in the universe

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and there was so much more

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that I didn't know that I wanted to know

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and and I'm sort of Curious by nature

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and I've always sort of sought out

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places where as I became a journalist

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and moved into that space let me sort of

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take that journalistic approach to

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finding out what I what I could about

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new spaces and are there new areas new

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genres where I can explore those genres

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through journalism and and

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and problem solving and asking questions

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right which is at the heart of what

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journalists do

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and and here I am I've stumbled into

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this space and happy to have done it

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yeah yeah I think it's really

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fascinating and you know I I as as uh

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you know I I've had haven't had I'm

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having trouble with my camera it's

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really doing some work doing things yeah

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yeah yeah well if you want to work on

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that change that up

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but anyway uh it's I'm turning into a

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ghost but I mean I I had I had what I

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could only classify as some type of

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poltergeist experience you know 25 30

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years ago and I would bet my life on

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that it really did happen but I would

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not be able to tell you for sure what it

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was right you know I mean it happened

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right in front of me

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and I've told it on this show actually

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before but it was it has to be

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explainable in some type of way I think

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so but I don't know I mean it has to

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have an explanation but I don't know

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what that explanation would be yeah

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um I I you know it's I'm I'm happy to

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hear that you've had some kind of an

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experience I I look forward to the day

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when I can say to this audience look

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I've had an experience and and let me

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take the next 20 minutes to explain to

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you what that experience was and in this

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Vivid a set of details is I could muster

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with my small little brain

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um but I haven't had that yet and you

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know so at at this point uh I still

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remain a skeptic right it's not you know

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you can be skeptical and still have an

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open mind you can be a skeptic and still

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say yeah but I don't think we're here

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alone right and so what it does mean is

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that I I just I need the evidence

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um I need the proof we would love at the

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end of the day and before this run is

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over

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um to be able to say we've we've got the

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most definitive video yet of Bigfoot we

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would we would love that and and that's

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not to say that if we don't we don't

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have it by the time the shows run ends

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that Bigfoot doesn't exist but you know

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we've we've put the whole world on

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notice that there's a show

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um ready willing and able to to take

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your video of Bigfoot and analyze it and

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should that day come when we've got

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definitive proof that's a that's a huge

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day that's a game-changing day you know

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you you mentioned a little bit earlier

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you know the breaking news uh from The

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Whistleblower and and that's a that's a

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that's a huge story out there now

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there's a lot of work that needs to be

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done on that reporting but it's

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potential as a game changer uh as

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potentially a life changer as he meant

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right and yeah I'm glad I'm glad you

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brought that up um you know I had done

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for the people that are watching the

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show listening to it there is another

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show on YouTube that I did with

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Alejandro Rojas about this and

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um the the

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thing that Alejandro brings up a lot is

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he said we need the receipts and I

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understand what he you know means by

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that we need some tangible of some type

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of way to really get this out into the

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public to really make the ball rolling

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but as we were talking about off air you

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know perhaps this is like a crack in the

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surface that's going to you know

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perpetuate something and really snowball

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into something significant you know I

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think it's very possible well and the

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other side for folks who aren't familiar

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with the story yet and it's all over the

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web right now so you can find it really

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easily

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at the heart of it it's this idea from

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this whistleblower who seems to be

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credentialed up the wazoo

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uh Former Intelligence officer that

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you know that alien

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uh technology that alien technology is

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being hidden from Congress and evidence

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of alien technology is being hidden from

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Congress and of course you know the

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Congress represents us to the voice of

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the people so that means that

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information is being withheld from us

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and and to Alejandro's Point yeah that's

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that's the piece that's the claim that's

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set all kinds of reporters and sleuths

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all over the place that set them on fire

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to try to get to the bottom of that and

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yeah then now the tricky part of

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corroboration and the receipts as the

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kids say uh to move the story along but

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in in journalism I think it's important

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for people to understand is that you you

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do as much as you can and you run it

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through

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as much of an editorial Cuisinart as you

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can and then at some point you may not

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have have everything buttoned up to the

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extent

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that you'd like but sometimes you need

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to go with that story I mean we've all

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seen the story and the accounts of of

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the Watergate

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uh story that Bernstein and Woodward uh

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were so instrumental in in publishing

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and bringing forward you know they

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didn't have everything initially they

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just didn't uh but they had enough that

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putting it out there open kind of the

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floodgates in a manner of speaking for

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more information to come forward and

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maybe that's what's been done here and

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and we'll see I think the next couple of

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weeks are going to be key and you know

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if we can get to Congressional hearings

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on this reporting I I think that would

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be a huge step forward

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right yeah that whole Watergate thing

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the way you know that that was first

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approached and everything that was

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that's probably the most historic and at

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least uh you know the 20th century

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historic uh journalism and stories you

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have to hold and and maybe the folks

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have a debrief and and I know a couple

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of them and you know a couple of the

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people over there on that MJ vanius

541
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who's on our show as one of the

542
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,380
co-founders of it Tim McMillan who our

543
00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:18,720
Aviation expert uh on the proof is out

544
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:20,760
there uh Friday's attend on the History

545
00:22:25,090 --> 00:22:22,919
Channel how was that was that smooth is

546
00:22:28,370 --> 00:22:25,100
that okay yeah it was pretty good

547
00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:28,380
Sam McMillan as our Aviation expert he's

548
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:31,080
on the program as well and and and they

549
00:22:35,710 --> 00:22:33,000
are the guys who are the co-founders and

550
00:22:39,529 --> 00:22:35,720
one other guy who for them

551
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:39,539
yeah yeah yeah so you know

552
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,880
um they've started this bowl rolling and

553
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:43,440
let's see where it ends up

554
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:46,020
yeah yeah I'm I'm optimistic I think

555
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:47,820
that it's

556
00:22:52,250 --> 00:22:50,460
um I don't think it you know I mean

557
00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:52,260
maybe I disagree a little bit with

558
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:54,780
Alejandro on some things when it comes

559
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:56,220
to this he thinks it should have just

560
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:58,860
been held back until but you know

561
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,380
speaking to other people there they just

562
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,880
it was a hot potato they had to do

563
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,280
something with it and they're somehow it

564
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:08,640
leaked out enough where it was all over

565
00:23:14,029 --> 00:23:12,240
UFO Twitter yeah so it had to they had

566
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,039
to do something with it there's always

567
00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:16,080
another until yeah let's hold this until

568
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:18,179
let's hold this yeah then you know you

569
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:19,620
can go down that rabbit hole and not

570
00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:20,760
release anything

571
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:22,679
and then someone could scoop someone

572
00:23:25,930 --> 00:23:24,840
could scoop them too and that would be

573
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:25,940
tragic

574
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:28,799
I I'm in New York now doing some other

575
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:30,120
stuff and

576
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:32,039
and obviously promoting the show because

577
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,500
we we love people watching it we love

578
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,840
people interacting with us but uh when

579
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,640
this thing dropped when did it drop one

580
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:40,080
day this reporting I think it dropped on

581
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:41,100
Monday

582
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:43,320
uh we're just recording this on Tuesday

583
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:46,260
so it dropped on Monday and all I know

584
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:47,820
is that

585
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:50,520
you know it was crazy it just just blew

586
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:51,960
up right

587
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:54,960
and I I knew I needed to and thanks to

588
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:56,760
our team for getting it to me so that I

589
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,340
could read in and and at least uh

590
00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:01,200
explain the journalism that that went

591
00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:02,820
into releasing something like that and

592
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:04,919
what it would have taken for this team

593
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:06,419
of people that you know you and I really

594
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:09,840
like to go ahead with that story so uh I

595
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:11,460
I know it's a big deal I know there's

596
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,280
more to come I think the the piece that

597
00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:16,799
I want to see next from them is uh the

598
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:18,980
follow-up piece you'll remember when

599
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:21,780
uh what was it propublica released the

600
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,120
the series of pieces on the Supreme

601
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:26,159
Court judges it wasn't just one it was

602
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,980
it was followed by additional reporting

603
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,240
I'd like to know what the additional

604
00:24:33,169 --> 00:24:31,919
reporting is on this that's what I want

605
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,179
to see next

606
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,240
yes and for those uh of you that watch

607
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:38,880
my show Friday I'm going to be with uh

608
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:42,600
Ralph Blumenthal one of the uh yeah he's

609
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:44,520
gonna go on the show on Friday we're

610
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,440
going to talk about all that so that's

611
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:48,720
the way to do it brother well done good

612
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,659
yeah yeah Ralph's a good guy we've he's

613
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,760
been on a bunch of times he's right he's

614
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,159
uh he's done a lot of good work and and

615
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:58,080
a fun guy to be with too grab some

616
00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:00,360
receipts will you please yeah exactly

617
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:02,520
hey uh so I want to talk to you about

618
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:04,020
some of the episodes because I've only

619
00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:07,080
watched three and I enjoyed every single

620
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:09,480
one of them a lot you know I really I

621
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,679
think it's a

622
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:12,720
uh it's going to be one of my favorite

623
00:25:18,169 --> 00:25:16,200
shows of a of a contemporary show

624
00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:18,179
um but

625
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:21,179
what would you consider some of them

626
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:23,340
really really interesting videos that

627
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:25,380
have come along and some of the ones

628
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:26,700
that I haven't seen

629
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:28,140
and you don't have to talk about this

630
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:29,700
season you can talk about the past

631
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:33,539
Seasons well I've always uh I I've there

632
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:34,740
are a couple of categories that I really

633
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:36,419
enjoy on the show and I've said this a

634
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,279
few times and you know no one's really

635
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:39,600
listening to me because we don't get

636
00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:40,679
more of these stories on or maybe

637
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:43,320
they're just not available but

638
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:47,460
I really I really enjoy the pieces

639
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,779
um

640
00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:51,120
where there are spiritual components to

641
00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:53,100
them right so we'll we'll get pictures

642
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:55,980
of of shards of glass in people's eye

643
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:57,779
and there's a spiritual component to

644
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,200
that we'll we'll get pictures of the

645
00:26:05,470 --> 00:26:03,840
Weeping Virgin Mary and oh yeah there

646
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,480
are a lot of those kinds of stories

647
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:08,159
there's this phenomenon a paradolia

648
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,720
where you'll look at a cloud and see the

649
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:12,779
face of gods right right

650
00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:15,419
um I I really personally enjoy those

651
00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:17,340
stories because it's it's not just what

652
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:18,419
you're seeing it's what you believe

653
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,500
right

654
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,539
and it's not necessarily what you can

655
00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:23,520
prove but it's what you believe and so I

656
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:25,380
I'm always interested in

657
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:28,919
the way we think our our psychology the

658
00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:31,140
way our psyches work and so you know

659
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,820
when I I'm always thrilled when I see

660
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:34,500
those kinds of stories pop up on our

661
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:37,500
Radars potentially making the show

662
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:39,240
um and to the extent I can do that I

663
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,860
kind of put my finger on the scale just

664
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:42,960
a little bit because I think a lot of

665
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,279
this is

666
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:46,080
um what you believe you know the the

667
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,059
guys and the women who were in the

668
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:50,159
garages with the tinfoil hats on back in

669
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:51,299
the day because we wouldn't listen to

670
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:52,500
them we thought they were nuts they're

671
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,419
wagging their fingers at us now see told

672
00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:56,880
you told you right did you did you did

673
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:58,860
you did you see the piece in in the

674
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,320
debrief did you see it

675
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,559
along so I'm always interested in in

676
00:27:08,210 --> 00:27:06,480
that support journalism too there's the

677
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:08,220
stuff you know in your gut and in your

678
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:09,779
core but you just can't prove for one

679
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:10,980
reason or the other you just can't get

680
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:14,100
the corroboration on on camera or in

681
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:15,600
print or you just can't get someone to

682
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,580
go on the record with you I think one of

683
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:20,159
the fascinating pieces about about this

684
00:27:23,149 --> 00:27:21,779
story in this reporting lately is that

685
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,159
so many people are willing to go on the

686
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:25,380
record so I'm always fascinated when I

687
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:27,720
get those those clips and they make the

688
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:30,120
show where there's not just the clip but

689
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,620
there's also

690
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,600
um what feels a bit to me like a bit of

691
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,760
a spiritual aspect to it what what we

692
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:36,960
know and what we believe and what

693
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:40,080
becomes an Article of Faith right so

694
00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:41,940
that's always fascinating to me I I

695
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,279
think uh we just happen to stay on the

696
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:47,039
UAP story I think there's there's no way

697
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,600
around that

698
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:51,600
um and you know we shoot our seasons and

699
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:54,299
and then news always happens and you

700
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,980
know we wish we were on the air on a

701
00:27:58,850 --> 00:27:57,360
weekly basis and shooting new episodes

702
00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:58,860
every week instead of in the Clusters

703
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,120
that we do

704
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,980
uh because there's always news we're

705
00:28:06,529 --> 00:28:04,380
just a little fortunate that each time

706
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,539
that we come out with new episodes

707
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,400
uh there's something in the news on this

708
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,279
thing but but but the fact is and Mark

709
00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:14,039
you know this as well uh there's news

710
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,260
all the time in this space news all the

711
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,539
time in the space so I think we'll we'll

712
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:20,640
always stay on top and around the breast

713
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:23,880
and across the the UAP stories uh I'm

714
00:28:28,669 --> 00:28:26,220
particularly fascinated by what's in our

715
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:28,679
oceans uh oh yeah I want more

716
00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:30,600
exploration there and you know we've got

717
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:32,700
a Loch Ness story and maybe a couple in

718
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:34,500
this season

719
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,880
um I know I'm thinking of one in

720
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:37,679
particular where there's a new video

721
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:39,900
from a couple out on holiday in Scotland

722
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,539
they go to the to the lock and you know

723
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:45,120
they capture something that is that has

724
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,640
arisen to the to the surface right and

725
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:50,159
that there's always the Unexplained of

726
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:53,700
what's what's under the water there at

727
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:57,440
750 feet deep that's right in murky

728
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:00,179
right and that's part of the mystery of

729
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,919
Loch Ness is the fact that we just can't

730
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:04,320
we don't really know what's there so you

731
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,600
know is it some ancestor of some plesia

732
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,120
or is it or is it something else or is

733
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:11,520
it just a giant eel or is it is just

734
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:13,320
garbage strung together over time which

735
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:14,460
is right

736
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:16,860
so part of what keeps it going is is the

737
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,840
mystery aspect of it so I mean I think

738
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,880
those those are a couple of spaces and

739
00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:22,620
I'm always I'm always thrilled when we

740
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:24,179
get videos in those areas and again

741
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:25,860
those are kind of the tent poles of our

742
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:28,200
show if you're talking about if if

743
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,640
you've got a show of ours and you're

744
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:32,159
watching and we've got something on Loch

745
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:35,880
Ness we've got something on a Bigfoot a

746
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:39,299
Yeti uh Sasquatch

747
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:41,100
um if if you've got something for me

748
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:43,260
that has kind of a spiritual overtone to

749
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:45,000
it that's a good day at the office for

750
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:46,399
me

751
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,779
it's a good thing

752
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:51,120
uh one of the things I was just trying

753
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:53,220
to pull up an image and I I know I can

754
00:29:56,990 --> 00:29:54,600
do it it's just going to take some time

755
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:57,000
but the one thing I was thinking when

756
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,960
you were

757
00:30:02,090 --> 00:30:00,240
um I was watching the clip about the

758
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:02,100
Loch Ness monster and I said oh please

759
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:04,620
don't show the image

760
00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:07,500
um of that everyone knows of the lock

761
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:09,419
Nest monster that looks like the

762
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:11,340
dinosaur and I'm trying to get it into

763
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,220
so I can pull it up here yeah if I if I

764
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,559
got it go ahead and you did you did very

765
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:19,679
well by that and that is that um and

766
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,059
I'll bring it up here in just a second

767
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:24,059
here yeah yeah so here it is and I

768
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,700
thought oh no this has been proven as a

769
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:28,080
hoax they're not going to say this is

770
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:30,720
real and sure enough on your show the

771
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:33,059
person yeah this is a hoax well so

772
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:35,100
that's that's part of it I mean you know

773
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:38,220
look we that we know that people are

774
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:40,380
interested in that story and so when we

775
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:41,940
get something that hopefully advances

776
00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:43,740
the story or or something that you know

777
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:46,140
that that debunks it a bit or whatever

778
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:49,140
else you know that's going to be a a

779
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:50,520
must go for us we're going to do that

780
00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:51,960
story we're going to update that story

781
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:53,940
and and part of the reason we do that is

782
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,260
we know that we know how much interest

783
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:58,320
there is in in that story so I mean look

784
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:01,140
I'm not I'm not above uh giving the

785
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:03,179
audience What It Wants right

786
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:05,340
and and you know they want stories on

787
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:07,320
lock nests they want those are the gifts

788
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:08,940
that they keep giving for us they want

789
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:10,679
stories on Bigfoot

790
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:13,500
so our approach is going to be to try to

791
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:14,700
set the record as straight as we

792
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:16,620
possibly can based on the the most

793
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:19,020
recent and current information but we

794
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:20,640
don't shy away it's the History Channel

795
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:22,200
for God's sake so yeah we're going to

796
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:24,120
pull that that photo up and yeah we're

797
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:27,919
going to explain it yes yeah yeah

798
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:31,440
well uh I think it's it's such a good

799
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:34,500
premise and you know you see so many now

800
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,940
Martin I'm listening I just got to fire

801
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:37,919
off a quick text but I'm listening right

802
00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:40,380
yeah okay yeah I get you're a busy guy

803
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:42,179
no no it's fine but I just want you to

804
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:43,860
know I'm not ignoring I'm with you yeah

805
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:47,520
yeah yeah well I I like the fact that um

806
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:50,700
you know I was thinking that I was going

807
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:53,940
to be watching another I hate to say it

808
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,000
but another show where they're rehashing

809
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:59,700
and yes you know uh and we should do a

810
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,080
little bit of that but that's not what

811
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,080
the show is about but um so I was really

812
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:06,960
surprised when I saw the experts come in

813
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:09,000
and I want to know who's whose

814
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:12,720
brainchild was this this show yeah so

815
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:15,720
we've got a couple of uh Mike Stiller

816
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:18,840
um Steve immense uh with with History

817
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:22,080
Channel are really the brain children of

818
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,580
this program and they just did an

819
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:25,980
amazing job at conceiving of it I mean I

820
00:32:29,090 --> 00:32:27,480
think they took a look at the first of

821
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,100
all they know their audience over well

822
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,320
and at this point right I don't know 15

823
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,559
16 Seasons if not more of of Ancient

824
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:36,960
Aliens and I don't know 12 13 seasons of

825
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:39,480
The Unexplained and and all the specials

826
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:41,100
that they do right so they know this

827
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:43,500
audience really well in in what it likes

828
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:47,279
uh I think uh the the format is the

829
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:49,380
conceit of the show it's the idea of

830
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:51,179
okay we've done those shows and and

831
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,700
we've had really good long successful

832
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,740
runs with those shows is there another

833
00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:57,779
slice of this story that we can tell is

834
00:33:03,110 --> 00:32:59,640
there another entry point

835
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:03,120
to tell the stories of of uaps UFOs

836
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,860
things that we can't identify things

837
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:07,080
that can't be explained right things

838
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,820
that could be alien right so now you've

839
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,799
got you know the Unexplained you've got

840
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,480
Ancient Aliens so we're trying to figure

841
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,120
out if there was another entry point to

842
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:17,760
to tell these stories through some that

843
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:20,700
people will be familiar with but that we

844
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:23,580
can provide new information and take a

845
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:26,220
more critical look at at that same

846
00:33:33,009 --> 00:33:30,179
information right and so uh they said

847
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,019
look maybe we take it and and

848
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:35,840
do a journalistic approach to it right

849
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:38,880
uh but the idea of doing that is look

850
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,880
the videos have to meet a couple of

851
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:43,559
levels before they can get on the show

852
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:45,179
they have to be something that you

853
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,860
capture that seems odd and strange that

854
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:49,260
you can't explain great great check the

855
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:51,299
next thing is it does this video have

856
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,860
some link to history right so I

857
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,440
mentioned the the couple in Scotland

858
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,840
right their video links us to Loch Ness

859
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:59,279
and it gives us another opportunity to

860
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,840
revisit that show and we know people

861
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,360
love that story so check check and then

862
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:05,039
can we move the story along a little bit

863
00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:07,380
can we take this video apart and does it

864
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,179
help us with our understanding of the

865
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:11,580
Loch Ness monster story and and once we

866
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,460
get to check check Bingo and if it's if

867
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:17,220
it and then the verdict comes

868
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:20,760
um and you know we've we've rendered a

869
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:22,740
decision on that video but it's that

870
00:34:27,649 --> 00:34:26,159
that middle step once we check one we've

871
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:27,659
got something that's interesting and

872
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,580
curious check two it's got a tie to

873
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,800
history and once we've done that setup

874
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:34,200
work we turn it over to our experts and

875
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:35,580
we've got

876
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:40,859
know MJ benais Amy Patel not Patel her

877
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:42,780
name is Amy title

878
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:46,040
um we've got Michio Kaku on the program

879
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,740
physicist right uh Michael Primo is on

880
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:51,839
the program his dad is on the program as

881
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:54,540
well Shea Conger and Juan Hernandez just

882
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,700
to name a few uh and I think I mentioned

883
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:58,560
MJ benias who's on the show Tim McMillan

884
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:00,839
who's on the show we've just got a a

885
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:03,240
pretty stellar you know cast of of

886
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,980
experts whose job it is to pull those

887
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,440
videos apart and tell us what they think

888
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:09,839
it is we render the verdict

889
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,880
um and and that's it that's the conceit

890
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:13,200
of the show and it's just a more

891
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:15,780
critical look at these videos and some

892
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:16,980
of these stories that we've been talking

893
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:20,040
about for decades now and and and

894
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:21,780
thankfully people have said okay we

895
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,640
don't mind the fact that you know some

896
00:35:26,930 --> 00:35:25,200
of the things that we had built up in

897
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,940
our mind is true that you're taking them

898
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:29,280
apart and you're saying yeah not what

899
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:31,020
you thought it was and we don't mind

900
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:32,460
that because at some point I think

901
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:34,680
people have begun to understand that

902
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,320
by the time we say something is real it

903
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:39,839
really means something yeah it is The

904
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:41,400
credibility of our experts forget about

905
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,380
me it's The credibility of our experts

906
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,359
so if I get as the mouthpiece to sit on

907
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:47,760
the satin in my little man cave that we

908
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:49,260
erect every time we shoot the season

909
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,280
that's right right and and and say you

910
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:55,440
know this is this is real this is or

911
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,680
this is fake we hope that we've built up

912
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,780
some credit and

913
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:03,119
um you believe in our our credibility in

914
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:04,560
the space and The credibility of the

915
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:06,839
experts so I think that's that's the

916
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:08,339
beauty of what these two guys have done

917
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:11,339
in creating this show and you know I I

918
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,900
don't know how long these things go you

919
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:14,280
start one of these projects and you

920
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:15,900
don't know if it's going to last five

921
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,359
minutes or five years but we'll be

922
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:20,400
season four pretty soon here and and

923
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:22,859
we've got a pretty sizable order you

924
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,320
know in television business terms we've

925
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:27,119
got a pretty sizable order of new shows

926
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,160
that we'll be shooting soon and you know

927
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:31,560
knock wood uh and thanks to the audience

928
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,020
for following us and and you know we've

929
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:35,520
moved them in some way they perform that

930
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,280
they want to talk about us and watches

931
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:40,560
um they a couple of times you've had

932
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,900
were you you called out that I've

933
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,700
watched that is that you've called out

934
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:46,980
and said this is this is our verdict is

935
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:50,700
this is a hoax yeah and uh and two of

936
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,640
the times I personally thought that's

937
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:55,619
got to be a hoax you know one of them

938
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:57,960
was the eyes in the cave I'm not sure if

939
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:00,480
that's what season so I don't want to

940
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:02,760
ruin the maybe talking about something

941
00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:04,140
coming up

942
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:06,119
um and I don't want to do that um but

943
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:07,380
there was I'll just say there was a

944
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:08,940
couple of hoaxes and I was lucky enough

945
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:12,359
to uh actually think that that would be

946
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:14,220
the verdict you know

947
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:16,380
um you know and and it did come out that

948
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:20,099
way but my question is when you have

949
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:21,420
called

950
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:24,900
something a hoax when it was a hoax are

951
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:27,480
you getting backlash

952
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:29,460
are you taking a picture of course yeah

953
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:32,220
I'll take a picture of us yeah yeah

954
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:35,460
um oh absolutely

955
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,220
yeah we get backlash and and look it's

956
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,520
you know some of it gets some of it is

957
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:43,920
really opinionated none of it is

958
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,380
worrisome no one's threatening us no one

959
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:48,240
you know no one is oh I shouldn't I'm

960
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,280
sorry let me be more let me be more

961
00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:52,920
specific are you getting backlash from

962
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:56,520
the perpetrator from the person who gave

963
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:59,280
you the film no but but Martin here's

964
00:38:02,329 --> 00:38:00,540
where we are we're at a place now

965
00:38:10,690 --> 00:38:02,339
because of you know the success of the

966
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:13,490
you seem pretty smug in your verdicts

967
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:15,060
and in your analysis and you think my

968
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,200
video

969
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,140
yeah yeah let me try this let me let me

970
00:38:23,569 --> 00:38:21,240
let me let me throw a little AI into the

971
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:23,579
mix on you let me do this yeah put it in

972
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:26,099
here and Stir It Up and boom what do you

973
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:28,740
got on this Michael Primo so no we've

974
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:30,660
we've just gotten to a place that folks

975
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:32,520
are trying to stump us right and then

976
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,200
they're they're trying to fake us out so

977
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,000
they can go on their crazy little

978
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:38,400
Twitter Ranch ah I got you nanny nanny

979
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:40,140
boo-boo no no no no no we're not having

980
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:44,400
that so yeah uh yeah when we when there

981
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,619
would be the it would be the height of

982
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:48,720
ridiculousness of someone who tried to

983
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:50,339
fake us

984
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:54,180
got ticked off because we caught them

985
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:56,099
can you imagine can you imagine

986
00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:58,740
something yeah let me tell you something

987
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:00,540
on that day I'm coming back on your show

988
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:02,520
when we when we debunk something that

989
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:05,160
was absolutely faked and and the person

990
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:07,500
got upset and went on a rant or

991
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:08,820
something you know that would be

992
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:12,839
hilarious right that would be yeah

993
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,440
yeah there was a there's a great story

994
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:19,020
that happened years ago

995
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,820
um I'm saying I'm in the Fine Arts and

996
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:22,440
antiques business have been all my life

997
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:25,980
and the Metropolitan Museum

998
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:30,119
had this guy that meticulously faked a

999
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:33,540
early important Wing chair and right

1000
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,940
down to putting you know the the linen

1001
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:37,560
like would fall out of people's pockets

1002
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:39,780
in the corners and everything and he

1003
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:42,660
fooled them and he did it just to fool

1004
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,800
them and and he fooled the experts so I

1005
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:49,200
mean it would it could happen to you

1006
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,240
know you can't avoid it sometimes well I

1007
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,040
don't know what you think about the you

1008
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,740
know this this emerging technology I say

1009
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:57,359
emerging because now we're really

1010
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,339
talking about it and it's Advanced to a

1011
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,480
place where

1012
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:02,700
it's on everyone's mind but this whole

1013
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:04,920
AI space right what what's happening

1014
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:07,260
with AI what's the potential eye and so

1015
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:11,160
you know uh I I think I'm right in

1016
00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:13,020
saying we were starting to see a little

1017
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:14,099
bit of that

1018
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:17,160
in in some previous Seasons

1019
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:19,020
um I I think we're definitely on

1020
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:20,880
heightened alert now

1021
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:22,920
um given what's happening in the space

1022
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:26,280
yes those you know it's like uh you

1023
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,380
thought you had deep fakes before well

1024
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:30,180
we're past deeper fakes now we're we're

1025
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,220
going and venturing through this area of

1026
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,800
the deepest fakes possible using this

1027
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:36,900
kind of Technology but I I have

1028
00:40:40,970 --> 00:40:38,520
confidence in our guys that you know

1029
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:40,980
they'll be on top of it and across it

1030
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,500
and we'll be able to sort of stay you

1031
00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:45,599
know we'll stay ahead with it's hard to

1032
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:47,099
stay ahead of that thing but you know

1033
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:49,980
we'll be able to Fair it out the the

1034
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:53,220
deepest of The Fakes yeah yeah that is a

1035
00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:56,040
problem and it has been a problem when

1036
00:41:02,569 --> 00:40:59,400
it comes to you know UFO videos yeah one

1037
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,579
you know but also you know in general

1038
00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:06,000
the chat PGG I believe that's something

1039
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:07,079
like that

1040
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:11,520
um that is that's scary because

1041
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:13,380
um I think people are getting smart

1042
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:15,060
enough I've I heard this story I don't

1043
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:16,500
know if it's true or not but a professor

1044
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,300
was saying oh yeah well I'll let people

1045
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:21,000
use chat gbt

1046
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,560
um for their papers but all I have to do

1047
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:25,680
is put it and chat and then ask them if

1048
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:29,460
it came from them you know again it's a

1049
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:31,980
way to ferret it out right yeah

1050
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:35,220
um and and so I I don't I don't are you

1051
00:41:38,569 --> 00:41:36,780
concerned about it let me ask you a

1052
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:38,579
question how concerned are you maybe is

1053
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:39,900
the question I think everybody in some

1054
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,540
level is concerned but how how concerned

1055
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,920
are you about

1056
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:46,200
you know the possibility that we evolved

1057
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:47,940
this just in let's say the military

1058
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:51,780
space where you know you you were

1059
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:54,960
feeding information into a program and

1060
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:57,420
you're saying work up scenarios for

1061
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,300
attacking ex-country and then there's a

1062
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,400
mistake or something in the program

1063
00:42:08,329 --> 00:42:05,520
thinks you mean attack such country how

1064
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,339
how concerned are you about some of the

1065
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:10,680
more potential harmful applications of

1066
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:13,260
this technology oh I think it's I think

1067
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,900
it is a big concern I mean you know if

1068
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:17,760
you really think about there could be a

1069
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:20,339
self-replicating

1070
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:24,060
um situation that um someone gone mad

1071
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:27,180
you know which has happened repeatedly

1072
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,940
over you know there's crazy people that

1073
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:31,680
could say okay I'm gonna destroy the

1074
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,700
world and it's gonna they're gonna

1075
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:34,980
replicate and their thing is to destroy

1076
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,599
the world and you know they won't stop

1077
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:38,640
you know type of thing you know I mean I

1078
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:41,220
know that that sounds like really down

1079
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:43,380
the rabbit hole but a situation like

1080
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:46,260
that could indeed happens someday the

1081
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:50,280
way AI is going I don't believe yeah and

1082
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:52,380
so for our show you know it's it's it's

1083
00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:55,560
a challenge and we recognize it and uh I

1084
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:57,240
think we're I think we're okay certainly

1085
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:00,540
at the moment we're okay uh we know that

1086
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:03,420
people would love to stump us but uh I I

1087
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:05,220
think we're I think we're across it at

1088
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:08,220
this point yeah yeah and have you ever

1089
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,500
had a situation come in where you're

1090
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:13,020
about ready to wrap a season and then a

1091
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:15,000
video comes in you go whoa whoa we gotta

1092
00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:16,619
this one is really good we got to do

1093
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,660
something on it yeah I think I think

1094
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:20,400
there have been a couple of I you know

1095
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:23,400
uh I I'm not privy to everything that

1096
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,500
comes across but but I'm sure there have

1097
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,839
been instances where that's happened and

1098
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:29,940
we're getting to a place now you know

1099
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:31,859
we're not we're not on the air obviously

1100
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:33,720
every week and we're doing seasons and

1101
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,339
you know and and

1102
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,680
dropping new episodes all the time and I

1103
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:39,900
think we we're working ourselves now to

1104
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:42,900
a position where we can shorten the

1105
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,780
distance of time of a turnaround on

1106
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:47,700
something that's particularly newsworthy

1107
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:49,500
right we knew for example that the

1108
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:51,960
disclosure report was was coming out was

1109
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:55,619
that a year or so ago so I I did not

1110
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:56,819
only

1111
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:57,440
um

1112
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:01,260
one whole hour on it but I I actually

1113
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:04,619
narrated a second hour about the

1114
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,040
disclosure report for another program uh

1115
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,319
on the History Channel so I think we are

1116
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:12,000
we've gotten to a place now since we're

1117
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,700
doing so many episodes now that we can

1118
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:16,740
turn it around a lot more quickly than

1119
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:19,079
we could have when we started

1120
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,740
um so uh I I think that we can we can

1121
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:25,440
for the most part stay within a

1122
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,460
reasonable

1123
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,319
length of time

1124
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,420
with a news cycle

1125
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:33,359
that's to say where that story is still

1126
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,380
relevant

1127
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:36,000
all right well

1128
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:38,220
um so we got about 10 minutes left we

1129
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:40,260
can do one or two things you can tell me

1130
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:42,060
kind of how the

1131
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:44,700
the chain of you know when it comes in

1132
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,400
and how it all happens or

1133
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,839
um I'll give you the option if you'd

1134
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,520
like to talk about some of the really

1135
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,440
interesting you know videos that have

1136
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,420
come in and what you've done to to solve

1137
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,119
them well I I think since I you know

1138
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:00,359
your your journalist you you'd better be

1139
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:03,599
uh preaching transparency and and

1140
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,920
openness right so the idea of how we get

1141
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:10,260
videos to air that I think that's pretty

1142
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,880
interesting and I'd love for people to

1143
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:12,960
have that little

1144
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:15,060
bit of insight about how we do what we

1145
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,319
do yeah okay so we we obviously we

1146
00:45:23,329 --> 00:45:21,300
started our program you know a couple of

1147
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,339
seasons ago relying heavily on people's

1148
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,200
fascination with the Loch Ness monster

1149
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,599
Bigfoot Sasquatch and the like

1150
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,460
and we knew that we needed to evolve

1151
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,720
past that if we were going to get past

1152
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:34,079
one season right so uh there's kind of

1153
00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:35,640
this admonition at the end of every show

1154
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:37,740
to keep those cameras rolling and and by

1155
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:40,560
all means to to send us those videos to

1156
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:51,770
right because we are in essence and we

1157
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:53,940
don't make any bones about it uh it's

1158
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,280
not a secret we're a crowdsourced show

1159
00:46:01,609 --> 00:45:59,760
so you know our our bloodline is our

1160
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:01,619
link to the public and their desire to

1161
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,780
know more about this information and to

1162
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:05,040
capture videos that they think are

1163
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:06,599
interesting and compelling

1164
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,579
so in in that sense it's it's really

1165
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:11,520
simple for us uh and so that once people

1166
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:13,079
started to really get the hang of that

1167
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,960
and start to to send this stuff we we

1168
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:17,760
kind of quickly moved from a staff of

1169
00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:20,579
maybe eight people or so to and mostly

1170
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,579
producers and expert animators because

1171
00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:25,440
sometimes the video needs to be opened

1172
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:27,060
up and explained through animation we're

1173
00:46:31,609 --> 00:46:29,400
using all of the tools of Storytelling

1174
00:46:32,569 --> 00:46:31,619
in order to sort of bring these stories

1175
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:32,579
to life

1176
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:34,680
so we went from a staff of about eight

1177
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:36,599
people in in our first season I think

1178
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:38,940
we're damn near 30 people now on on the

1179
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:41,640
show and and that cuts to the point I

1180
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,740
was making earlier about our ability to

1181
00:46:48,349 --> 00:46:46,560
sort of take breaking news and

1182
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,359
developments and

1183
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:50,880
and get them to air a lot more quickly

1184
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:52,680
than we were in the initial days of the

1185
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,220
program uh so uh we've got a really

1186
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,260
robust team that you know that's that's

1187
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:01,440
doing meetings all the time and and you

1188
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:03,300
know kind of a development process where

1189
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:05,940
where you know we go through various

1190
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,619
stages as to what kind of a clip will

1191
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:09,119
make it we're getting suggestions from

1192
00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:10,680
everywhere we're looking online

1193
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:13,079
obviously people are sending us stuff uh

1194
00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:15,720
and the whole team is looking for ideas

1195
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:17,940
on stories and and video that's really

1196
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:20,280
compelling uh our managers have

1197
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,680
mentioned Steve minson and Mike Stiller

1198
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:24,720
they're looking as well if something

1199
00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:27,000
comes across their desks they will send

1200
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:29,339
it over so it's really like this team

1201
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:31,740
effort of aggregating all of this video

1202
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:33,540
and then it's a matter of sorting it out

1203
00:47:38,690 --> 00:47:35,940
and and finding the most compelling

1204
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:38,700
Clips the the and the most challenging

1205
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:40,440
for our team we don't want layups all

1206
00:47:45,010 --> 00:47:43,020
over the place obviously but we want we

1207
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:45,020
want pieces that will challenge the team

1208
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:47,880
uh and then we sort of that's the way we

1209
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,280
sort of totally down we start out with

1210
00:47:54,349 --> 00:47:52,440
this this big aggregated bucket and then

1211
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:54,359
we you know we kind of put them in

1212
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:55,619
various

1213
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,660
um silos and and sort of work through it

1214
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,400
and and make our assignments and then

1215
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,680
it's a matter of telling the backstory

1216
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:03,599
of that clip again first of all it's got

1217
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:05,220
to be compelling second of all it's got

1218
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:07,260
to have some sort of History component

1219
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:09,060
to it and and then it's got to be

1220
00:48:13,089 --> 00:48:10,319
something that's compelling for our

1221
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:13,099
analysts to to sort out right

1222
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,020
and and reach a verdict on and so you

1223
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:18,240
know once we get a preliminary that

1224
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:21,000
we've got X number of videos that fall

1225
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,440
into those categories now we're

1226
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,720
beginning to yeah and now we can move

1227
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:26,579
yeah okay great now we've got something

1228
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:28,260
that we can craft and shape and do a

1229
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:31,859
show and and we're doing that I don't

1230
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:33,420
think the team is getting but maybe

1231
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:35,460
three months off

1232
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:38,280
you know yeah I think I I think we've

1233
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:39,780
gotten to a place now that they're

1234
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:41,640
working an awful lot I mean it's great

1235
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:43,800
for our team it's it's a thank you to

1236
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,560
the people who who watch us obviously

1237
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,960
but I think you know there is some maybe

1238
00:48:53,770 --> 00:48:50,700
not the full team but a skeleton team

1239
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,780
that's always working or

1240
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:56,880
uh yeah virtually always working on on

1241
00:49:00,650 --> 00:48:58,740
finding materials just to make sure we

1242
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:00,660
we don't miss anything that's super

1243
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:01,740
compelling

1244
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:04,920
it must be I can only picture it as it

1245
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:06,740
must be a blast

1246
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,500
what you do and what they do I mean I

1247
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:12,480
could see that would be a lot of fun

1248
00:49:16,550 --> 00:49:14,940
doing this well it's so funny you should

1249
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,560
say that thank you thank you and it

1250
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,480
absolutely is I mean you you see all of

1251
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:20,640
this and I apologize we've been running

1252
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:22,200
around all day so I didn't get a chance

1253
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:24,599
to get cleaned up for you but no it's

1254
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,819
it's been one of the Thrills of my of my

1255
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:29,040
career and it's totally unexpected no or

1256
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:30,900
sometimes the the best surprises the

1257
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,720
ones that you're becoming

1258
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,460
um you know I've had kind of a long

1259
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,440
career it's it's it's been successful

1260
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:39,720
knock wood it's been successful I've

1261
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:41,819
worked at some of the biggest uh houses

1262
00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:44,880
in in the world Al Jazeera CNN and

1263
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,400
entertainment tonight and you know I'm

1264
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:49,680
in the podcasting space now and I I've

1265
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:51,720
hosted one of the biggest podcasts and

1266
00:49:57,170 --> 00:49:54,780
and True Crime and I heard that yeah

1267
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:57,180
number three and all podcasts or

1268
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:58,440
something it was ridiculous it was

1269
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:00,420
ridiculous so we just uh for those who

1270
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,060
aren't aware I hosted Monster DC sniper

1271
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:05,460
and the monster franchise is hugely

1272
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,500
successful and then and and they brought

1273
00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:09,119
me on board because I was living and

1274
00:50:14,329 --> 00:50:11,640
working in Baltimore at the time uh when

1275
00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:14,339
Malvo and and Muhammad went on their

1276
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:17,579
shooting and killing spree so uh I again

1277
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,260
I just was really blessed and really

1278
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:21,119
fortunate to to work and report on that

1279
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:22,740
podcast and that just took off like a

1280
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:25,260
rocket uh this show has been the same

1281
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:28,740
way uh I I feel extraordinarily blessed

1282
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:31,020
and fortunate to at this stage in my

1283
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:33,180
career you know I'm not I'm not young

1284
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:35,220
man anymore Martin about you know too

1285
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:37,740
I've been able to find this and and to

1286
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:40,200
have people find it and successfully you

1287
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,579
know and enjoy the show I think that's

1288
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:43,920
that's the real point and and I always

1289
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:45,780
sort of my TouchDown for this is you

1290
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:48,359
know there's a guy on our air now who's

1291
00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:51,780
92 years old and that's William

1292
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:54,780
yeah I know he is he is the Energizer

1293
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:57,359
Bunny Martin at 92 years old he not only

1294
00:51:01,370 --> 00:50:59,160
has one show he has two shows he's got

1295
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,380
our show with the channel he's got a

1296
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,359
show on Fox now so you know he's my

1297
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:05,280
touchdown on this so you know as long as

1298
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:07,319
people find it interesting and I've

1299
00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:09,480
still got my wits about me and and it's

1300
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:11,579
such a blast to do I'm I'm happy to do

1301
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,339
it when willing William Shatner was in

1302
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:16,440
his 80s he went across the country on a

1303
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:20,760
motorcycle I mean guys just it's amazing

1304
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:24,359
right yeah yeah no he's my he's my hero

1305
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:27,000
yeah yeah he's something else well this

1306
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,319
has been a real pleasure I've really

1307
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,140
enjoyed it a lot and uh you can give

1308
00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:33,720
this Spiel if you'd like on uh when it's

1309
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:37,559
coming out this Friday yeah yeah p.m 9

1310
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,040
Central yeah yeah

1311
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:42,240
on the History Channel

1312
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:44,220
yeah excellent well it's been a real

1313
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:45,900
pleasure I really thank you a lot I

1314
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:48,180
really enjoyed it and uh I hope the

1315
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:50,220
seasons keep coming and I'm going to get

1316
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,660
permission I'm going to ask permission

1317
00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:53,760
or have the woman who sent me this

1318
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:56,099
incredible video I'd like for someone to

1319
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:57,359
take a look at it

1320
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,400
so yeah

1321
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:00,960
yeah and you know someone who knows the

1322
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:02,760
team and can put a finger on the scale

1323
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:05,700
for you so go for it right and also just

1324
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:08,040
to let the listener know the uh

1325
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:10,440
information the uh I'm gonna put an

1326
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,760
active email uh Link in the show notes

1327
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:16,800
on my website so

1328
00:52:20,109 --> 00:52:18,180
um so you can just click on that and get

1329
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:20,119
right to it

1330
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:23,880
all right all right take care

1331
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,760
all right everyone so that is whoops I

1332
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:28,559
didn't come back the way I'm supposed to

1333
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:32,099
here how's that working here we go uh

1334
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:33,540
although my camera's all messed up I

1335
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,380
don't know what's going on I'm all

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blotchy I'm not sure what happened but

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anyway thank you so much everyone we'll

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be back uh next week and and we have

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um let's see next week we have Glenn

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Richardson I believe he's from the UK he

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will be on the show thank you for

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watching and remember to keep your eyes

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to the sky we'll see you next week